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Greg Szymanski's 2006 Interviews with Lee Wanta the 27.5 Trillion Dollar Man (Full transcript)

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GREG: Investigative Journal is travelling to Switzerland today and my guest [is] Leo Wanta. Tell us how this all started for you.

LEO: Okay in 1980... But going way back prior to that, I was being mentored by the Chairman of the Senate Foriegn Relations Commitee, Senator Alexander Wiley. I was trained in financials and government, intelligence and so on and so forth.

So in 1980, when President Regan won the election he retained the services of William French Smith a[n] attorney in California who was going to be his Attorney General. So then we all got together with Casey and Colby, William French Smith and President-elect Reagan.

GREG: And you're sitting in talking with these guys correct?

LEO: Yeah, I was already known within a very tight group through Senator Wiley of my background and my management training and my engineering training.

Uncle Sam, arranged for me to get a 5 year apprenticeship in tool and die. When I'm in foriegn countries, I can kind of glance at it and know what they're doing. I didn't have to have blueprints. I can design my own blueprints, because I had an engineering degree as well.

So I was introduced to the future Attorney General Wiliam French Smith, and Bill Casey, which I'd already known through Bill Colby. We started having some meetings prior to him being elected on how he could control the East European environment.

So then, after a number of meetings and discussions, it was decided by the new Reagan administration that I should be the Inspector General of the Department of Defense because that would give me kind of a chance to review things. "Cap" Weinberger, who was now the Secretary of Defense, said: "He's the last S.O.B. I need walking around me. He'll have my job in a couple of months."

So Pen James, who was the director of Whitehouse personnel, and Rick Shelby, [who] was now a senator, decided we should be doing some other stuff. So Bill Casey decided I should work hand-in-hand with him.

So they were all talking about Krushchev and the old days, and him pounding the desk at the United Nations. [How] they're going to bury us with our own shovels, and so on, and so forth.

President Reagan was a union guy in California. So they were looking at ways to get our country back through the apprenticeship programs and things of that nature; to rebuild infrastructure of the American people. The youth... give them some skilled trades, training, education, and medical services, and things of that nature.

The biggest problem was the expenses [that] were always going out to fight the Cold War on the Soviet Union. They kept spending money for the military industrial giants and nothing for the average person. They agreed to my idea going back to Maynard Keynes, 'the best way to control a country is to control the economy and the currency.'

President Reagan, he was not a politician; didn't feel he should be a politician. He was a simple person and he wanted to undermine the USSR by destabilzing their military [and] their economy, and to get the people to understand that the rubles were only of value within the USSR.

President Reagan wanted to destabilize the USSR because they were a pain and he didn't trust them at all. He could not depend on anybody over there and he still had a lot of wounds from the past. So we decided, with William French Smith and a few other guys, how we could figure out a mission to destabilze the USSR so they couldn't buy anything. This is why you had the Star Wars [Strategic Defense Initiative] and everything. So President Reagan, started all kinds of development programs to spend a lot of money, but only on paper not in actual cash. That got the Soviets. Nobody understands a Soviets a Soviet; a Russians a Russian. They're not the same.

After a number of meetings and discussions with people within the military and everything else, we agreed we would get a grant from the US Treasury for $150 billion. And we would start to destabilize their economy, their military, their GRU [Main Intelligence Directorate], and the like, by picking up their internal currency.

So we got together Mr. Kwok [Kok Howie Kwong], who was part of the Chinese intelligence group in Peking at that time. [We] were off to Vienna where we established New Republic/USA Financial Groupe, which was the security code of the Contras way back when. [Vienna] was where the core of all the Soviet rubles were because they were not allowed to leave the USSR. They could not buy any food, any refrigerators, any medicine, they couldn't buy anything. Anything you want to buy was all internal to the USSR and you couldn't take out the currency.

Yet, the Soviet Central Bank [Gosbank] said that every ruble is worth $1.20. Of course nobody's going to give you $1.20 because there's nothing to buy with a ruble.

So we were based in Vienna, in June 1988. We started to trade rubles through Brinks in Holland, into the the GRU, military, the postal savings accounts, the manufacturing facilities in the USSR. We would give them hard currency for their rubles. They knew their rubles were worth zero.

We purchased Aneko Credit Pte Ltd. Singapore which was grandfathered to do these kind of things in Singapore. We would run all of these rubles through Aneko Credit and Asia-Europa Development Group and Trans-Asia Resources and New Republic/USA Financial Groupe in Austria. So I was sent to Austria in June 1988. I was a permenent resident of Austria.

We were starting through the KGB and the GRU, and anybody and everybody that was trying to make a fast buck, to gather up all of the rubles. So suddenly, we were getting all of the rubles. They wrote stories about this in major magazines and newspapers, that we were idiots in buying all these Soviet rubles. So more people came to us all the time and we were negotiating between 18 to 28 cents a ruble. We would pay them off outside of the USSR in all the major banks, Hungarian banks as well. We had 109 accounts. If you got the rubles credited to our account we would would give you the hard currency of your choice. We had PROMIS software, four units of [equ..s?]. It's a specialized banking center software, of Inslaw in Washington, DC. So people were bringing us rubles, rubles, rubles, left and right in [to] Brinks in Holland, and other banks, and we were paying them in hard currency.

So here we are. We're all in Vienna. I speak very little German, but I'm there. We started to meet with a number of people within the Soviet bloc, and Hungary, and Iran, Iraq, so on, and so forth. And they're, shall we say, in an economic pinch because the USSR had no food, no meat, no nothing, no jet fuel. Because nobody would accept the ruble outside the country. So we used Brinks in Holland, and started to purchase rubles. Not purchase, say swap, you can't purchase currency but you can swap currencies. Something for something.

GREG: Okay. So basically, your job was to destabilize the ruble in an effort to bring the Cold War to an end, correct?

LEO: Correct. Because then they had no funds for the military. No funds for their intelligence. No funds for the KGB and the GRU and the like.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Now during this period of time, you set to work on this goal and you were pretty sucessful at it, correct? Your system worked.

LEO WANTA: Oh yes, very good at it. We had a draw from the US Treasury of $150 billion. Using the PROMIS software, we were bringing to the Russians and the postal savings accounts and certain manufacturers an opportunity to get hard currency for their rubles at a swap value much less... Well it was really much more than it was worth, because it was worth zero. And we were paying between 18 and 28 cents per ruble in hard currency of Swiss francs, Italian lira, deutchmarks?, British pounds sterling and the like.

So based on that we entertained with the Development Bank of Singapore. We sent them 70 billion rubles, worth $84 billion US. We met with the big shots at the USSR embassy in Singapore and they were screaming at us, and yelling at us, that we were destroying their economy.

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GREG SZYMANSKI: And, at that point is there any particular reason why the money wasn't immediately returned? What was the whole idea behind this, how did it get lost? That's one question people ask me.

LEO WANTA: [We] have Brinks in Holland counting, and wrapping, and packaging, and sorting out all the rubles. And making sure there were no counterfeits.

And then the Central Bank of the USSR, [it] was deemed that they had to [do the] exchange because they're the ones who set the benchmark and all that.

We met with the bigshots at the Soviet Embassy in Singapore and they were telling my Chinese partner Mr. Kok that there is no way, no way in the world that they were going to give us $1.20 per ruble. And we argued back and forth, back and forth, and they said, "No, we're never going to give you $1.20."

So after a lot of arguing, and them drinking their goofy drinks, they came and said that the Kremlin authorized [them] to only pay us $1.08. I jumped up and down [on] the top of the tables and I said, "$1.08, Howie, we got more than that invested in the program!"

They were really happy that we were going to lose out. Unknown to them that we're [paying] 18, 22, 28 cents, a ruble which is a very good mark up of 4 or 5 times value. So we have the agreements with the Bank of China, that they sent all of the wire transfers to, that they would pay us $1.08. If we didn't like it we could get the hell out of town.

So I left. Howie stayed behind. They didn't trust me, being an American, but they would trust him because he was a Chinese authority. So, we have all the landmark agreements and the benchmarks at $1.08. Now, we were in the foriegn exchange of off-station rubles.

So the Russian people were now getting hard currency. Now they were bringing back in refrigerators from Budapest, and from Vienna. Everyday they were going from Budapest to Vienna, buying anything that wasn't parked. Bring it back to Budapest and trade it back for rubles.

We had a number of Budapest main banks accepting rubles on our behalf and paying them in hard currency.

They wrote articles that all the rubles were missing from the street, so they had to reprint new rubles. The finance minister was screaming that I, Wanta of New Republic, has all the rubles in my possesion and they had no rubles. So we kept bringing them rubles back to the Central Bank.

Suddenly, they were short of rubles; so we had to figure out another way to get rubles back. So Howie and I talked to India, Pakistan, China, Malaysia and all these countries and says, "Look you guys all have a national debt to the USSR and the Central Bank. What if we paid that debt off and we gave you rubles at 88 cents a ruble?"

They thought we were crazy but as long as we had the receipts and confirmation that their national debts were paid, perfect. So now all of these countries are paying their national debt to zero into the Central Bank of the USSR. Now [Sheshanko?] and everybody there are really, really excited that all of these countries are paying their debts back to the USSR. But keep in mind the rubles are worth [benchmarked at] $1.20. They took all the rubles and started paying all their national debts, based on about two-thirds the value, but getting 100% value.

So that worked out real good. They [USSR] were getting the hard currency, they were buying refrigerators, carpets, medicine in Vienna, Austria and everything else. We were bringing them meat through [authraw?] Poland.

We were negotiating with Pabst Brewery in Milwaukee to pick up their whole brewery and move it to Russia. The same with Intercontinental Baking or Continental Baking, they were closing their whole facility; we were going to bring that thing lock, stock and barrel. We bought horses from Mexico that they wanted, and everyone was having a real great time by buying something with hard currency.

All of these countries are buying them from Howie and I at 88 cents. Not buying, but trading their hard currencies for what we wanted. So now the Central Bank is flooded with rubles, but they don't have any real hard currency, because everybody is paying them in rubles. So [Greshanko?] and everybody they says, "We got 2000 [tons] bullion of gold." In 75 kilos, 35, 35.5 kilos, 25 kilos, all mixed, one-off, and all this crap. And they gave us a huge discount if we would pay them in hard currency.

So now you've got 2000 tons in hard currency that we already made three or four-hundred percent on if not more.

We missed 246 tons in Latvia/Lithuania and Jim Baker said I was not doing my job because they still had 200 some tons of gold. If nobody tells me that how do I know to find it? We still had 2000 tons of bling, which is pretty good. We had to resmelt it at [Johnson Matthey] at Singapore under heavy security and made out to our name. And paid cash.

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So that worked out real good. And Gorbachev was very much involved, the Central Bank was involved; everybody knew. So suddently they were very pleased in the USSR, because they're gettting all these rubles. Everybody's paying their national debts and they had all this currency coming back into the Central Bank in Moscow. Unknown to them, that President Reagan could stop at anytime the swapping, or the trading, of the rubles for hard currency which was in Swiss francs, or German marks and so on so forth. And they were getting, running low out of hard currency because they were paying everybody $1.20, $1.08 and so on and so forth. So now they are low on hard currency of the G7 for example. So we decided that we would do them a favor. We purchased 2000 tons of their gold that was in the Central Bank in USSR, and naturally they ripped us off. They would only give us $1.08 for every ruble, still unknown to the important people that we were paying less than 28 cents a piece. So now we have 2000 tons of gold based on actual cost of 28 cents but getting market value of $1.08 per ruble.


So that went on very well and then everybody decided in the Whitehouse that there will be no more treaty arrangements of trading rubles for hard currency. Therefore, now the USSR is absolutely bankrupt, the GRU is bankrupt, the KGB is bankrupt but in reality they're really not bankrupt because Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Yegor Gaidar the Prime Minister took all of their rubles which really had a 'Monopoly' value in a kids game and have hard currency, in German marks, and Swiss francs, and British pounds sterling, and everything else.

Now the USSR is absolutely bankrupt. They make a deal with Boris Yeltsin he has, he fakes this, uh, coup, that he was being attacked by his military, Gorbachev was you know - which was all part of his way for an exit. So therefore, we have all the hard currency, they have rubles. Nobody wants rubles. So we had agreed with Putin and everybody, who at that time was Vice Mayor in Leningrad (which turned out to be St. Petersburg eventually, it was on the [?] commission), that we would give a non-returnable grant to the USSR under the new image of the Russian Federation of $30 billion US dollars and that's to rebuild.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Where was this money earmarked for once you make this money back then?

LEO WANTA: Well, the money was earmarked for the US Department of the Treasury, except for $30 billion that was authorized by President Reagan through AmeriTrust to the Russian Federation in Mockba, which is Moscow, for redevelopment programs. As long as there are none military. We would have been monitoring all of that $30 billion. We paid back the $150 billion, that we got forwarded from the US Department of the Treasury, within 6 months.

We had a tremendous amount of real hard currency and of that $70 billion that was set aside: $5 billion was going to Canada, $5 billion to UK, and $5 billion to Mexico and so on so forth, a total of $70 billion. But at the same time down in Western American Samoa, we were setting up a $5 million oil refinery to back up the US oil needs.

We were [also] buying medium term bank... Well at that time they were called prime bank guarantees, at 7.5% annual interest, 10 year plus one day maturity. We were buying them at 68%, 66% per $100 million par value and we could either loan 'em, or sell 'em, or transfer, at 88 to 92[%]. In reality, we're making $20 million for every $100 million par value prime bank guarantee. And we're doing this repetitively, every hour on the hour. That generated a tremendous amount of money, that we would reduce any and all debt obligations of the USA. And that is what President Reagan wanted to do.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So this money, so you're sucessful at bringing the ruble down. In the meantime, you amass a lot of dollars. And you become the caretaker of this through Ronald Reagan. Who appoints you, through what you told me earlier, his trust in you.

LEO WANTA: Oh yes.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. So the years go by now, this fund is there, I mean the money is there now invested in the different things.

LEO WANTA: Yeah, in prime bank guarantees.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. Now how does that transition remain American assets, but remain out of the country?

LEO WANTA: Yeah, offshore bank deposits.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So basically Reagan must have been really pleased with what you guys were doing?

LEO WANTA: Oh, he was overly excited. The Soviet Union had no money to buy anything for military arms, and Star Wars, and stuff of that nature. That's why Gorbachev [publically] in Helsinki was so mad. Gorbachev, [meaning the USSR] had zero, zero in cash.

We paid him $10 billion through the Gorbachev Foundation. So he was happy to sell out his country. What are you going to do? It's easier to pay these guys a couple of bucks.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Now, Reagans intention was always to bring this money back. Now you guys amassed a lot of money, it was constantly compounding interest...

LEO WANTA: Reagan's first intention was to have US security thoughout the world and the Soviet Union - being [unknown] - to nothing, so he [would] not have to spend money on military.

So all of these funds then... We paid back the treasury the $150 billion. There was security throughout the world. There was no more USSR. They were gone.

The Russians had a Federation; they needed money. Boris Yeltsin and Putin, the Deputy Mayor in Leningrad, was going to receive through the Reagan Group, which was us, $30 billion to rebuild their countries. But for no arms, and no tanks, and no nothing [military].

And we were rebuilding the US dollar economy. We were buying prime bank guarantees of 66% to 69% and retrading those at 88% to 92% which was making us around $20 million for every $100 million prime bank guarantee. That was the money that was rebuilding all of the banking community, money in the United States, so the banks could give out loans and mortgages and do whatever you want. And also, more foriegn aid to the countries of acceptance to the US State Department. So this money was coming back, and it was also being used and generated to make more money for the USA to be a super-economy.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Well tell us how did you save his [Reagan's] life.

LEO WANTA: Well being in the intelligence community we, you know, we're reaching out to a number of people throughout the world at all times. We had a certain person that was a foriegner as a guest of the United States. I don't think he had a green card since he was in the political regime.

He had called me and he was extremely nervous. He said he had people staying in his Washington office for months, and months, and today was the day they were going to assassinate President Reagan. I asked really clear what was going on? How can I know for sure? He told me all of the details.

I immediately called Treasury Special Agent Bill Lecates. He got on the phone to Special Agent of the Secret Service Glen Speedy, along with Frank B. Ingram, who is a liason with the FBI. That's why his initials are F.B. Ingram.

We immediately pulled President Reagan out of the Whitehouse.

We pick[ed] up everybody that came via Texas, to come into the Washington area. They were being groomed and being hosted by this gentleman, who will remain anonymous, except [to] the people that need to know. The Secret Service came immediately to his place, grabbed him for his own security and protection. He wasn't sure who I sent to get him.

So he's there; they're coming in with all their Secret Service garb, and everything else, and the Secret Service agent said he went all over the floor. I said, "Well I would too, if they came in running with all of those machine guns and everything else."

He said, "You should have warned him."

I said, "I was kind of busy."

GREG SZYMANSKI: What year was this just to give us...

LEO WANTA: That was... I'll say a Friday the 13th. I'll let you track it back from there.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay.

LEO WANTA: But you can talk to the Secret Service, because we all got plaques and all this other good stuff. Glen Speedy, the Secret Service, and Bill Lecates who was Direc. in US Treasury and national at that time. So you know everybody was happy, happy, happy. We were all happy that the threat, [that] wasn't sure at that time, [and] when we verified that it was absolutely a threat. We picked up everybody. To the best of our knowledge, we got them all.

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GREG SZYMANSKI: [Who do you work for?]


LEO WANTA: For the Office of the President. That's who I work for.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. So when did the whole problem begin, when you wanted to put the money back. But I think you were talked to by someone. Did somebody want to really take it from you, is what I'm getting at.

LEO WANTA: Well here, first of all you have to understand we have all of [this] in our control, Howie and I. We had all the money in foriegn accounts, prime bank guarantees, and other collateral, and gold bullion, and the like.

George Bush was finishing up his travel time in Singapore. This was about April, 1992, [January 3-5, 1992] because Howie died in May, 1992. He [Bush] realized that all of the assets, which was about $864 billion in Aneko Credit in Singapore, was owned by a Chinese guy named Howie Kwong. [He] was the chairman of our group bank and [with] myself as managing director. He was curious that he was now the President of the United States, and we had all these funds. Then when Bill Clinton became President of the United States, he decided that all three of us were no good. He's the only guy that can handle that kind of money with authority and maturity.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. This is one part of the story, I think you need to explain, because I gotta make that transition from the good days of Reagan; and all of a sudden things change.

LEO WANTA: Okay. Well it's really strange.

GREG SZYMANSKI: How did that happen?

LEO WANTA: The last tour of President George Herbert Walker Bush, he goes to Singapore of all places. Unknown to him, the Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, sold Aneko Credit PTA Ltd. in Singapore, to my Chinese partner and I. Now we are [running] the intel community banking. Which everybody who was anybody in the Bush Administration and previous administrations used for their, let's call it, set-aside allocations.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Now you told me you were made the trustee by Reagan.

LEO WANTA: Oh, I was the trustor sure, for the Presidential Task Force, yeah.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. Go ahead. So that gives you some power over this money still?

LEO WANTA: No. Guarded power.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Right.

LEO WANTA: That doesn't mean I can spend it. I'm just guarding it.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay, so go ahead now we're in the...

LEO WANTA: Okay, so I am in Vienna working with the Chinese against the USSR, because they are also buying rubles to take down their debts. And I'm off to Singapore to meet my Chinese counterpart, Mr. Kok Howie Kwong. His dad is a wheeler dealer within the Chinese administration and a warlord and all this stuff. We had a number of operations with the ruble with PRC [People's Republic of China] and ROC [Taiwan] in China. They're in Pakistan and India and everything else.

His father says to Howie that the Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, must sell his stock in Aneko Credit PTA Ltd. [Since] he's the Prime Minister he can't do both. So Howie's dad says to Howie and I, "[Leo] if you put up $25 million, I'll put up $25 million for my son, and you and he will own Aneko Credit PTA Ltd."

[Aneko Credit] is a grandfathered bank [with] underwriters and all of this stuff and this was great for us.

So I take $25 million from New Republic. Where his dad got the money is not material to me, but I'm sure it came out of Hong Kong/Shanghai. So I bought Mrs. Lee's one share and Howie bought the Prime Minister's one share. Now we have all of these funds, and we move in more funds that we are developing. Prime bank guarantees, because we're also now bank underwriters by contract in Singapore under the grandfather clause. The Chinese and Singaporeans had [this clause] long before I even knew Singapore existed.

So here's President Bush sitting in Singapore, in fact we gave the instructions to the Secret Service to move him from one hotel to the Shangri-La. The Secret Service guys in my hotel room at the Marina Manor agreed, let's move him to the Shangri-la which is much safer. He can still do the meetings at the other hotels but at least we'll take over the Shangri-La. So we got credit for that.

So George Bush Sr. comes on his worldwide tour at the end of his campaign and he's in Singapore. He meets Howie and I. He finds out from the Prime Minister that Howie and I own Aneko Credit and now we are holding his special set-aside allocations. We knew all of his set-aside allocations, and George Schultz, and Jimmy Baker, and everybody else.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Oh boy, you had the information now on him.

LEO WANTA: But, I wasn't doing anything with it.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Right, right.

LEO WANTA: You know it didn't bother me, because I had enough to do with what I was doing.

Howie and I [had] in our accounts, our personal accounts under the agreements we had with President Reagan, [we] had total assets in Aneko Credit of $864 billion U.S. which is entirely, shall we say, stock profit. Which would be split between Mr. Kwok and myself, $432 billion a piece.

He [George Bush, Sr.] was very upset that he did not realize that Howie and I collectively owned Aneko Credit.

Okay? See because Howie's got a share and I got a share. That's $432 billion a piece, well, [Carol Courtney's?] there from state and [George Bush] Sr. says that since I report to Bush, the Office of the President, I should consider half to go away and Howie should give half to go away [Bush wanted half of each of their $432 billion].

Howie jumped right out of that chair. He said, "You are S...H... boomp-boomp-boomp. I pay you nothing more,  boomp-boomp-boomp."

We got another North Korean conflict going on. Howie died a couple weeks later.

GREG SZYMANSKI: He did?

LEO WANTA: By rat poison.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Rat poisoning?

LEO WANTA: They believe, by rat poisoning because his face got real puffy, yellow jaundice, and he was terrible. I was supposed to die within 10, 15 minutes after him.

I got a call from Singapore Internal Affairs that Howie's in the hospital, he's going into a coma, he's dying. Instead of going out the front door using the company car, I just got the first taxi. The taxi driver took me to the emergency entrance, instead of the front door, where I would naturally go as a tourist.

I got up there and Leo [Tetses?] says to me, "How the hell did you get up here?"

I said, "What are you talking about? You called me, said he's going into a coma."

"How did you get up here!"

I said, "I went out the front door, took the taxi, and the taxidriver says go through the emergency."

He said, "Ohhh!"

So then, he [Howie] died his just...

GREG SZYMANSKI: And you were sure you were slated for the same uh...

LEO WANTA: Yeah, I should never have got to the hotel room. This has been verified by General Vernon Walters. I was going to be hit long before I got to that floor.

So, what happens [is] when you get rat poison in a human being, you create a vacuum in your brain and you blow the stem. That's what happened.

[Carol Courtney's?] there from U.S. State and she's really [offended] now because a Chinese spoke so terrible to the President of the United States. But you know, trying to get Howie for $216 billion, Howie was not interested in paying $216 billion.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And where was that going to go?

LEO WANTA: Who knows?

He [Howie] jumped right out of his chair screaming, I says, "Howie, you put me in a terrible position."

He says, "You stay here with me; you still got $432 billion."

I says, "Howie, that's not the way it works in the United States. He's my superior."

[Howie makes a noise] "Rahrrrararar!!!"

A couple weeks later he died, at Singapore General Hospital.

[Then] they came to get me.

I went to Canada. Dan Qualye arranged for me to get to Canada, for whatever reason. I stayed in Toronto. And then I went per Uncle Sam to Switzerland to meet Vince Foster. And that's when I was taken down.

GREG SZYMANSKI: [Back to when] you're sitting across from Bush...

LEO WANTA: Oh yeah. He's staring at me. I was always quizzed by him in the old days with Reagan, because Reagan wouldn't trust him. Reagan wouldn't ever tell him what we were doing.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Reagan didn't trust Bush back then?

LEO WANTA: No. He never told him anything. When he would ask me or Larry Eagleburger, would ask me questions or something, I would always refer back to Dutch [Reagan]. Or, [to] William French Smith, or Casey, because [with] what I was doing, I was told to just shut up and get it done.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And that's when you were made the Ambassador [for] Somalia [to] Switzerland and Canada. To work with [William] Sessions and Vince Foster. And basically that's where we're at now.

LEO WANTA: That's correct.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And at this point you end up in a Swiss jail.

LEO WANTA: Well, it really wasn't a jail. It was a dungeon.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay a dungeon for 134 days. And really for... Did they ever give you an official reason?

LEO WANTA: Well for the first three days they didn't even know I was there. So I was starving to death.

And then they said they had a phone call from the State of Wisconsin Department of Revenue, the Attorney General of the State of Wisconsin, to hold me for tax evasion from 1982 and '88.

I kinda laughed, I thought it was a political joke. Because I lived in China since 1985. And in 1986, I spent the whole year in the Phillipines, during that coup against Marcos. We were very busy running between Singapore, Malaysia and the Phillipines. So how could I be a resident of the State of Wisconsin? My wife divorced me because I abandoned her in '82. I was too much involved in the government; which she wasn't too happy with.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. So how did they want to get their hands on this money and what did you tell them?

LEO WANTA: After Howie died, they had started giving me a lot of heat in Singapore, so I went on to Canada. I spent a year in Canada trying to figure out how I was going to get the money back into US Treasury.

We were working with Vince Foster and he was kind of a help to us.

In June 1993, I got orders through Vince Foster and [Cupper?] who I think was his boss at the time. We had some transactions that were going to help me move to Lake Geneva and I would buy a beautiful home there and I would settle up on the paybacks. And I said, "That's not a problem as long as I can pay back the US Department of the Treasury."

And they said, "What do you want to do that for?"

I said, "Because two, three years down the road you're going to say I never paid anybody; and I'm going to be arrested for embezzling US federal funds."

So I went to Switzerland and Foster's going to meet me on July 7. We transferred $250 million to the Children's Defense Fund through Credit Suisse, [through] Guy Stewart, the chairman of the board at Credit Suisse. And, I automatically went to Swiss prison, and he [Foster] automatically died on July 20.

GREG SZYMANSKI: It's said this fund that was started, the Global Security Fund, and what Bush and Clinton wanted to do now; was to somehow copycat what you were doing. But, to use the money privately, instead of bringing it back to the Treasury? Correct?

LEO WANTA: Correct and to pay taxes on that money.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. So that's what they wanted to do with you and that's really why they wanted you out of the picture, correct?

LEO WANTA: Yeah, they wanted me out of the game. But at the same time, return all of the trust assets to individuals, and not to the U.S. Department of the Treasury. I feared that in a couple of years, somebody's gonna ask for an audit and I'm not going to have the money, and I'm gonna be in prison for life.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Bingo. And we're talking about how much money, you think?

LEO WANTA: Oh, at that time we had let's see, boomp-boomp-boomp. I would estimate in 1993, we had assets well over $16-18 trillion in prime bank guarantees, 2000 tons of gold, [another] 167 tons of gold, cash-wise we probably had, oh, $500 billion assorted currencies.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Which you're still the trustor for right?

LEO WANTA: Yeah. And I'm also the owner of it because Howe's dead. And I still owe 50% of the final outlay to his estate, which he has two beautiful kids.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Clinton, Bush the rest of them [are] trying to get it into private hands. You want to take the money; put it back into the Treasury.

LEO WANTA: Per the original protocol agreements, yes.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And there, is the reason they are after you, correct?

LEO WANTA: Yeah, but they can't kill me right away because they don't know where all the money is.

GREG SZYMANSKI: They don't know where it's at?

LEO WANTA: Well, they know some of it. They have ripped off 4 or 5 of my computers already. But a lot of this stuff is based on custodial safekeeping reciepts in banks, which open up other assets and numbers and passcodes and stuff.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So the CIA has discredited you, even had you declared dead. Didn't they?

LEO WANTA: Correct. So they could go through all the banking community, and the bank managers, and say he's never showing up here; so now we're in charge of these accounts.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And they've tried discrediting you, now tell us how this backstabbing occurred and what really happened to this money?

LEO WANTA: Well, we had a trading program for 5 T [trillion] through the World Bank; and it was going to be generated by the Swiss banks.

I was in Toronto and I left Toronto [for] Paris to meet President [Haji maheelamashi?] because I was now being appointed the Ambassador of Somalia to Canada and to Switzerland. So under cover of that we had the 5 T contracts with the World Bank and the UN under Contract #4.

[This] would also rebuild Somalia and [give] us a naval supply depot there. Mogadishu Airport would have been a US Airforce station and we would have a rapid deployment force there to protect and control the Middle East from idiots that want to cause war.

So we were in Switzerland. One of the major banks started the first leg of the 5 T [trillion] contract which would have generated $210 billion. Of which $70 billion was set aside for, let's see: $30 billion to Russia, $5 billion to Canada, $5 billion to Mexico, $5 billion to London, $5 billion to France, $500 million to Western Samoa to build an oil refinery [which was] only feeding [to] the United States. We would have had a brand new high-tech refinery in Western Samoa. And $70 billion would have went back into AmeriTrust, and $70 billion would have went into the US Treasury, for whatever the Economic Presidential Council [sic] wanted to do. Laura D Tyson and all these people.

So we would have been very secure and very satisfied with the influx of cash.

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Vince Foster made a special request through the Whitehouse at that time. He needed 250 million dollars set aside for the Childrens Defense Fund, which was approved by the Whitehouse at that time, by a Laura D'Andrea Tyson who was the chairperson of the Whitehouse Economic Counsel. So he was in Geneve. We arranged 250 million dollars for the Childrens Defense Fund from their request, based on the 5T [trillion] UN Contract #4.

We moved the first initial traunches of 243 million dollars, which would have gave them a face value of 300 million to start the computers working as a dry run more or less and that was three 81 million dollar transfers. [This] would give you a par value prime bank guarantee of 100 million dollars per each 81 million dollars released.

Vince Foster was staying there. Suddenly, all heck broke loose. I was arrested and detained by the Swiss Sûreté for failure to pay Wisconsin taxes, although I haven't lived in Wisconsin since 1985, being on US government seal operations.

[They] threw me in a dungeon. Vince Foster came to my rescue. He came back to Washington DC, to assist in getting my immediate release from all this nonsense.

Then he was murdered. I know he didn't commit suicide. No one with $250 million in his briefcase commits suicide.

They had me incognito. Only a handful of people knew I was in the Swiss dungeon in Lausanne.

Then Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, came to my rescue because he was part of an agreement we had between the Palestinians and the State of Israel. The Ameritrust corporation, of which I'm the Chairman of the Board, was going to grant the State of Israel 5 billion, and the Palestine government at that time, $5 billion a piece. To [encourage] a solid peace program. Which we would have controlled all the funds, so the funds would not be removed from the recovery, the redevelopment of roads and infrastructure.

He notified the Swiss government that he was coming to rearrange the furniture, as we say.

I was immediately extradited to New York, without any arrest warrants, without anything at all. Just put me on a plane, under armed guard, and shackles. I ended up in New York, and the FBI was saying, "What the hell are you doing here?"

I didn't have an American passport, I had a Somalian passport, a diplomatic passport, so they figured they were being swindled by somebody.

In the meantime, Yitzhak Rabin, got murdered.

I went to the Brooklyn House of Detention. They were supposed to remove me to Madison, Wisconsin, so I could get a hearing and get released.

The Federal Judge Alyce Ross says, "You know Mr. Ambassador, I don't know what you're here for and I don't want you here. Get the hell out of here." More or less [that's what she said].

But before she dismissed everything against me by the State of Wisconsin, which I haven't lived in since 1985, she asked me, "Why are you carrying these $1 billion notes, these securities."

I started to explain it and immediately the US Attorney jumped in and he says, "We dismiss all the charges. He's free to go, he's free to go. We make a motion, US government."

And I went to the [courthouse] steps only to be arrested by New York detectives, without a warrant, but, based on a phone call from the State of Wisconsin to hold me for civil tax evasion for 1982.

GREG SZYMANSKI: We left off where you were named the Ambassador [of] Somalia [to] Switzerland and Canada. Basically to deal with the Vince Foster issue and Marc Rich?

LEO WANTA: We had [a] tremendous [number] of security plans to use in Mogadishu And it would have helped all the people, remember the Cubans were fighting in the upper part of Somaliland.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. So...

LEO WANTA: We had a vested interest in there.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Now what happened to...You were also there for Rich, correct? Marc Rich?

LEO WANTA: Well yeah, we were there because we were doing this settlement, and we were also taking down Marc Rich. Because the FBI Director Bill Sessions, gave us a live open arrest warrant to take down Marc Rich at any cost and bring him on back. So we were going to coax him [into] going to a french casino across the lake in Lausanne. But Lorrayne Fine somehow tipped him off, and knew somehow from her cohorts, what we might be doing in Switzerland. We were going to arrest him in the middle between Lausanne and France on the ferry boat.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And what happened?

LEO WANTA: (Laughs) He refused to come at the last minute. And on July 7, 1993 I was arrested for Wisconsin civil tax evasion.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And this was...

LEO WANTA: And he was free to travel and he went back to Zug.

Keep in mind, one of the persons who had talked to him and tipped him off to what we were doing was a Miss Lorrayne Fine. We have photographs that they met at the Hotel Aulac in Lausanne. She was a Mossad agent. We feel that she's the one that told Marc we were going to take him down.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So then basically Clinton orders his release?

LEO WANTA: Yeah. You have to understand, he doesn't really have [the] pardon that he thinks he's got. He's got pardon for a crime once he's arrested. Since we didn't arrest him, we don't consider the pardon a real pardon. The pardon only releases him after somebody makes the arrest and we [still] have the arrest warrant.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay, Leo I think it would be good to maybe take us back to when you were taken away and put in that Swiss dungeon and explain to our listeners exactly why you ended up going through all these legal battles. They basically wanted to copy this. They wanted the money now into private hands, instead of Treasury hands, but [besides] this was there anything more? Is that basically it or is there more behind why you were jailed?

LEO WANTA: Well, there's a lot more behind it. Keep in mind they came to the hotel in Lausanne, Hotel Aulac, because we were now going to meet Vince Foster. Vince Foster had arrived in Geneva to meet with us.

They take my diplomatic passports. I have two of them. One for each country. I don't have an American passport because Warren Christopher, the Secretary of State, said I couldn't have passports for both countries. So I surrendered my U.S. passport, he almost flipped.

And, Mossad was with Lorrayne Fine. And they were very much involved with Hillary Clinton, on a number of financial programs with Marc Rich. He works for the Israelis. They had a number of things on their agenda which [were] contrary to what we wanted to do within the United States, and [in] the Middle East per se. So they had to get me out. They had to get the money. I had already gave Foster $250 million from Credit Suisse and Vince Foster was going to testify against Bill Clinton on a number of things. He agreed to [do this] with the U.S. attorneys.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And then he turned up dead of course.

LEO WANTA: Absolutely. But, he did come and try to save me and get me out of the dungeons. The superintendent came and said he died. Why would the superintendent want to tell me that he died? Except, somebody was sending me a veiled threat.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Right. When's the last time you saw him before he was killed?

LEO WANTA: July 7th.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay.

LEO WANTA: Of 1993 because we gave him $250 million from Credit Suisse. He needed $250 million for the Children's Defense Fund. He made lodging arrangements for us at the Hotel De la Paix in Geneva. He got his $250 million from Credit Suisse. He got murdered, and I went to the Swiss dungeon for 134 days. We still don't know who got the $250 million, but I know it was debited to our corporate account.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So you have verification that Vince Foster was with you in Switzerland two weeks before he was murdered, he was there with you correct?

LEO WANTA: Correct. And we were staying at the Hotel De la Paix. In fact we were all on his American Express card, because he wanted to keep it quiet and didn't want anyone to know we were having a group meeting.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And so you give back the $250 million to the Children's fund, both of you, well at least you not knowing, that later that the Children's fund turns out to be under an Executive Order, a slush fund really. And, so Foster gets killed. But, if they were going to run a fair investigation [of Foster's death] don't you think they would want to talk to you?

LEO WANTA: Oh yeah, but [Kenneth] Starr knew about it. So Starr doing what he did, is really not a cover-up, it's obstruction of justice.

Starr wanted to represent me [on the tax evasion charges] in the State of Wisconsin and the Department of Justice Attorney General Doyle at that time gave him a job as a contract lawyer [in the] Department of Education. So he dropped me like a cheapskate and he went with the Department of Education. We all knew Starr was given a plum job on the behalf of the State of Wisconsin to avoid me. That's another case of obstruction of justice. He knew my case inside and out and he bailed on me to go to the Department of Education.

GREG SZYMANSKI: ...they cover up their own investigations...

LEO WANTA: Yeah but you have to keep in mind Marc Rich was in the Hotel Au Lac in Lausanne, and he was going to take the ferry. His attorney at the time, of all people, was I. Lewis Libby, also known a 'Scooter'. That's one of Marc Rich's main attorneys, Scooter Libby. So how do you think they get the inside track?

GREG SZYMANSKI: That's interesting, I didn't know that.

LEO WANTA: Ken Starr knows it because we talked about it.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Interesting. And of course these things have never been investigated properly.

LEO WANTA: Why, I've been talking about it for years.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And like I said they've never been investigated. And there you sit...

LEO WANTA: I told everybody in Congress, everybody in the Senate, I told everybody and anybody.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And let's get back to Hillary. Here I'm reading something that was sent to me, that Hillary had been in control of an organization called the Children's Defense Fund and that was listed under Executive Order 12333 in 1981 under President Reagan. Okay?

LEO WANTA: I don't think so.

GREG SZYMANSKI: That's what it said here, but that's not it?

LEO WANTA: Because the Executive Order allowed us to have CIA proprietary corporations. Now, that's not saying the Children's Defense Fund wasn't a CIA proprietary corporation. I wasn't a member of the Children's Defense Fund.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay. Anyway, we have the Executive Order now. Hillary Clinton then... Basically, this corporation has been used for intelligence purposes. Money being used for intelligence purposes, not for a children's defense fund. And she basically is in control of this, and also treating it maybe, as her own private little slush fund.

LEO WANTA: She is the chairman.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So is there anything in there that you had found out about how she was using the money.

LEO WANTA: No. All we were told by Andrea Tyson, who was the chairperson of the Presidents Economic Counsel, that she [had] approved the request from Vince Foster for us to set aside $250 million for the Children's Defense Fund. Since they're in the Whitehouse, and I'm not in the Whitehouse, I'm not going to argue about it.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So then she, this money then is... What ever happened to that $250 million?

LEO WANTA: I'm in a dungeon, I haven't the slightest idea.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Right. And let's trace that then, tell me what was your... You were put in there for 134 days, correct?

LEO WANTA: Uh-huh.

GREG SZYMANSKI: What kind of treatment did you get when you were there?

LEO WANTA: I was... Well, first of all they didn't know I was there for 2 or 3 days. They were probably hoping I would have a heart attack but I didn't. It was terrible. I was in a pre-Nazi dungeon of probably 1930 vintage.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And you stayed there 134 days until Rabin got you out, correct?

LEO WANTA: Correct. They came and rushed me to the airport. And at the airport they gave me the letter from Yitzhak Rabin that he was coming to my rescue, so they flew me right to New York immediately on Air Swiss.

GREG SZYMANSKI: It seems like everybody surrounding you who tried to help you ended up dead.

LEO WANTA: I agree.

GREG SZYMANSKI: I just wanted to go step by step here, after you get out jail, out of the Swiss dungeon, what happened?

LEO WANTA: They took me in shackles and chains and they put me on Swiss Air. Flew me to New York. I end up at JFK.

I have my Somalian passport, no American passport. They look at my Somalian, my diplomatic passport, and the FBI says, "What the hell we picking you up for?"

"Hey, I'm here, take off the chains and shackles if you don't mind."

They took me right away to the Brooklyn House of Detention where I sat for a bit. And, no, no, it was the Federal, the Metropolitan uh, jail for the feds [Metropolitan Detention Center, Brooklyn]. So I spent a couple of days there; then they took me to the judge.

The judge looked at me, looked at my papers, and asked me a number of questions. [She wanted to know] how come I'm an Ambassador. I started to tell her, then she asked me why I'm carrying these $1 billion treasury notes. I started to tell her who I was and everything else. And the Assistant U.S. Attorney jumps up yelling and hollering, "We move for immediate dismissal, and stop the conversation, boomp-boomp-boomp."

And she says, "Well I didn't want to hear it anyhow, Mr. Ambassador you're free to go."

I leave, I figured that a guy had finally [come] and saved me from these characters.

I walked down the steps [of] the Federal Court House and two New York detectives come up to me and said they have a phone call from the State of Wisconsin. They're holding me for tax evasion.

I said, "You're out of your mind."

So they took me over, kept me there at the Brooklyn House of Detention for 30, 40 days.

Wisconsin finally decided to come and get me, without any extradition or anything. No papers, no arrest warrants, or nothing. Put me in more shackles. Embarassed me walking through airports, which is illegal under the Air Act. You cannot carry guns, even if you are a deputy sheriff.

So they take me to Madison, and for 2 years they put me in the county jail on the floor.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And you spent 2 years in the county jail?

LEO WANTA: Excuse me?

GREG SZYMANSKI: How long did you spend in county jail?

LEO WANTA: A couple of years.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay.

LEO WANTA: On and off. It was a county jail, that there wasn't even a crime commited in, it was terrible. And I don't like to sleep on cement floors.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So the money is now in the trillions of dollars. What happens now is, the Clinton and Bush people backstab you guys, and they begin to loot this money. Correct?

LEO WANTA: Well, they took charge of the money. My business partner he got killed by rat poison. Vince Foster met his demise in Washington, DC. Francois de Grosseurve the spymaster of France, he got murdered. [Leno Barris?] who was working with us to uncover the Red Merc 20/20 that was used by the Iraqis, against the Kurds, he got killed in Hong Kong. All of the people working special assignment and feeding [information to] President Reagan all decided to die. And they put me in a Swiss dungeon because I had all the banking codes.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And Yitzhak Rabin, he was also assasinated after...

LEO WANTA: He was getting $10 billion from President Reagan. We had the money for him for the Peace Accord.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And Rabin tries to come to your rescue and there's a letter basically verifying that.

LEO WANTA: He did come to my rescue. The moment he served the Swiss administration, they picked me out of there, and flew me to New York.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Why do you think they wanted you out of the way? Out of the picture here?

LEO WANTA: They wanted me out of the way because I controlled all of the money, all of the bank accounts. I was the holder of all of the accounts.

In the old days under Colby and Casey, they would give me the banking instructions. I would follow the banking instructions under certain passcodes to do whatever operations they required.

If you look, when I came to New York in shackles and chains from the Swiss adminitration, Judge Alyce Ross, Federal Judge Alyce Ross asked me how and why I had 18 one billion dollar Treasury notes in my briefcase. I had 18 one billion dollar notes, and now there's an argument between the Federal Court in New York and the Treasurer of the State of Wisconsin, [over] what happened to the 18 one billion dollar notes. It's in the transcripts. That's 18 billion dollars missing right now. Parked between the New York Federal Court, who denies that they have it. [They say] they gave it to the State of Wisconsin.

The State of Wisconsin, the Treasurer of the State of Wisconsin [unknown] says, "Yeah, I heard that story. I know it's here someplace but we don't know where."

Wouldn't you look in your bedroom for 18 one billion dollar notes if you wanted to buy a pack of cigarettes or something?

GREG SZYMANSKI: How much money was involved in your tax evasion charge?

LEO WANTA: According to the audit the feds did, if I was a resident I would have owed 15 cents. If I'm a resident, which I'm not. They never had a case. In fact the case was held in Dane County, I've never lived in Dane County in my life. There's statutes that say you have to be tried in the county where the crime [was commited]. The only thing I ever did in Madison, was going to a Bucks game.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Now what about getting a fair trial? Were you able to mount any kind of trial?

LEO WANTA: No, they would not allow me to have private counsel. They hired a Major retired from the US Army Adjutant General. And he did absolutely nothing except ask what he should do from the Attorney General.

GREG SZYMANSKI: It doesn't sound like the Constitution was being adhered to in the Leo Wanta case.

LEO WANTA: No and I wasn't even allowed one witness to show who I was, and where I lived, and where I resided.

GREG SZYMANSKI: No. And finally how did you ever secure your release into house arrest? How is this working?

LEO WANTA: We don't know yet. Suddenly, they decided I should not be where I was. They moved me down to Sayre, Oklahoma. We filed a number of papers with the federal courts down there, that I'd been kidnapped from Switzerland. I'm an Ambassador. They have no authority, no jurisdiction.

They kept me in a private prison under the Corrections Corporation of America, which is owned by the U.S. military. They sent me back to Wisconsin. Wisconsin didn't want to hold me any longer because they were getting all these questions and no answers. So they decided that I should not be in the prison system. I should just go on house arrest and fend for myself.

There's a lot of good people that cared in these jails and prisons. They did their check with their FBI buddies and deputy sheriffs, and said I got screwed and tattooed.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So why did they let you out of jail finally?

LEO WANTA: They couldn't get the rest of the money because I had the security codes and passwords. And also to quiet down all the exterior noise that we were making with the special investigators in Europe. They decided to quiet this thing down and try to get some kind of low cost settlement.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Yeah. Which you did and now you're sitting there with all this information. I noticed that you have made a list also, of reciepts identified in handwritten notes, on some of the transactions involving these giga-financing operations.

LEO WANTA: Yeah, I thought I was dying.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Amazing, Francis Driscoll Trust, uh, we go on and on and on. Incredible.

LEO WANTA: Those are Fed Reserve reciepts right there.

LEO WANTA: By Judge Lee's ruling, I think you have a copy of that? That says, I should recover all of this money. [When] I recover all this money 38.6% of that immediately goes to the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And then of course we have George Bush, President Clinton, and Jim Doyle, the former Attorney General of Wisconsin [who] helped to prosecute you, correct? On trumped up charges?

LEO WANTA: Correct. Knowing that I was innocent. I wasn't a resident of Wisconsin, they knew this.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Who can you trust? From your perspective, right now?

LEO WANTA: Well, the only one I can trust right now is Judge Lee who ruled in the favor of the people. He's got tremendous [sic] other judges. If all those judges get together in the judiciary, things will stop quickly because they can put a huge oar in the water, as well as a number of senators and congressmen that can no longer live with the manipulation... and take charge, the people win, win, win.

GREG SZYMANSKI: I want you to explain to us who is Judge Lee and what was his ruling.

LEO WANTA: Judge Lee at Alexandria, Virginia ruled that I am in charge of all of these government corporations and private corporations as chairman and full shareholder under the Reagan administration. [I] should legally and immediately recover all of these funds and pay it to the US Department of the Treasury. And also notify the Internal Revenue Service of the payment. This is what Judge Lee went way out of his way to [do to] help all of us.

GREG SZYMANSKI: I just wanted to verify from you that this amount of money is a real amount, correct?

LEO WANTA: The money is a real amount correct, but like you said it's the minimum amount because each day it accrues.

GREG SZYMANSKI: And so there could be at this point it's more that $27 trillion?

LEO WANTA: Oh, sure. The last time the IRS and the US Treasury did an audit, I think it was $26-$27 T and that's when they were giving me more pressure. And, I wasn't moving.

GREG SZYMANSKI: I wanted to set the record straight that this court ruling does protect this money for the American people and puts you as basically trustor, the caretaker of this money, correct?

LEO WANTA: Right, the judge ruled that I should go recover the money and pay taxes on all the recovery directly to the IRS. We're going to give copies to his clerk so he knows that he did his part.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Now, if people wanted to check this out how would they be able to find the court document?

LEO WANTA: It's 02-1363-A and it was filed April 15, 2003 by Federal Judge Gerald Bruce Lee in Alexandria, Virginia.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Now, many people say it's a rarity to see an honest judge anymore, he appears to be one...

LEO WANTA: A senior one at that, a senior federal judge. And he's got all these exhibits and sealed documents and he's shocked, absolutely shocked.

GREG SZYMANSKI: An interesting part of this story, is how much money that's been traced that's missing so far. Tell us [about] the trail to track this money down, how hard that's been.

LEO WANTA: It's really hard, because you have to keep in mind that the banks that have this money were probably told I was dead or missing. Or, they paid certain things into other private banking relationships and used it for collateral. So they're taking loans they know they don't have to pay back. Everything they borrow from us and they loan out is really all profit to the banks. Plus, the banks can use that for their asset control.

GREG SZYMANSKI: I've seen a list of some of those accounts. Some traced back to Bush and other people. That's a fact right?

LEO WANTA: Oh yes, yes. That was on the (fencin doc?) and that was a tremendous amount of money. An audit was done and that is all [in] records from the Fed Reserve that we got. Because we can use PROMIS software from Inslaw. We have four units.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So you can bring this money back to the Treasury right?

LEO WANTA: Correct. But we're going to go through Judge Lee's clerk of courts.

GREG SZYMANSKI: You've gone this route to protect yourself right?

LEO WANTA: Correct and we even filed suit in the US Supreme Court and they refused to take the case because it was too political. I didn't know the Supreme Court was under a political arm.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Tell us how you came to this agreement [to collect and turn over $4.5 trillion].

LEO WANTA: Well, we had to go to the courts in Virginia to prove that we had an agreement and [that] these funds were set aside for all of the protocol agreements.

The judge ruled that the United States had immunity, but he did not rule that I was the trustor of all the funds. He just ruled that all the powers: The CIA, and the Treasury Department, and the State Department, and everybody else had immunity. So they didn't have to testify one way or the other which was strange.

But the judge did go ahead and order that we go recover all the money. He wanted to know why the money wasn't in the US Treasury and why taxes hadn't been paid on it. And why, whoever thought they were in charge, refused to allow us to repatriate all this offshore money. So then we argued that; and started to contact a number of investigators. They went to all of the european banks of record, about 109 bank accounts. And the banks decided that, oh my god, if this program keeps going and all the audits are done, so many things are going to be exposed.

So they came and agreed to $4.5 trillion just to shut [us] up. And, no audits and life goes on. I don't talk to them and they don't talk to us. We'd get a gag order and we'd get $4.5 trillion. We immediately notified the Treasury and they agreed that right now the tax base is around 35% or $1.575 trillion [on the $4.5 trillion] and since we're incorporated in the state of Virginia, we would have to set aside $270 billion for the state. We still don't know what the city and county taxes would be.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Okay, so this agreement was signed, the money transferred on June 12, (2006) it is there. The Fed is blocking it for some unknown reason, we'll get to that later. Tell us about, who did you actually enter in to this agreement with?

LEO WANTA: Well we have gag orders, but a number of attorneys that represent the pool of all the banks. They protect their clients. They just put the money on the table and say go away.

GREG SZYMANSKI: You also met years ago with John Roberts, you think he may have helped you get this agreement together, correct?

LEO WANTA: Yeah, John Roberts. Roberts worked with all of us when we were at the Whitehouse with Reagan in '81 through '88. They all knew who I was. They could not deny who I was, because you know, I was one of the few guys that went into certain quarters underneath the Whitehouse to get from place to place. And remember that Casey at that time was in the old exec office building and at the FBI we would go behind the stage and get through the FBI without being, shall we say, filed or reported.

GREG SZYMANSKI: So you're basically dealing with US authorities, and...

LEO WANTA: And corporate attorneys and bank attorneys and so on and so forth.

GREG SZYMANSKI: Talk a little bit about why you think the Fed is holding this up?

LEO WANTA: Well I have a problem with the Fed Reserve involved with this at all because this was a private deal between the United States and us; and these bankers that consorted in the pool of $4.5 T.

Under the HR 3723, everything that we were doing was protected under federal statute. Under the Economic Espionage Act of 1996. Which protects all of our proprietary economic information. There was no reason for them to be involved. They're not invoved. We don't need their services. They're a clearing house; we have our own banks that will do all of these things.

We have got all the boilerplate protection that we need and we don't need other groups to come in and try to participate for a fee. Or not participate, by not allowing a deal to go through. They're not in charge. They have no money involved, so why should they be in charge?

GREG SZYMANSKI: And if they don't release the money? You still can, as the trustor go after the whole amount, correct?

LEO WANTA: Well, yeah. They're in default. The banks [would be] in default. The banks would be extremely upset. They settled a $27.5 trillion claim in the federal courts for $4.5 trillion and this reopens everything for resettlement. They certainly would pay more not less. They already have acknowledged that they had property of [mine] that didn't belong to them. They've been using it internally for whatever reasons, and I don't care, since we have agreed to quietly be quiet. And we get the $4.5 T and the Treasury gets paid and Virginia gets paid and life goes on at a very fast pace.

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Leo Wanta Story Continues 9 11 06 Interview with Greg Szymanski

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